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The semi-finalist judges went through all of the beautiful and intricate starships submitted to the EVE Online "Create A Starship" contest and were extremely impressed by the talent that you, our always skillful deviantART community, exhibited. 15 semi-finalists have been chosen from all of the wonderful entries. From these semi-finalists, the final three winners will be chosen by the EVE Online creative team! Let's check out who might get their shot at getting their ship in the game.

:bulletblue: Read Official Rules
:bulletgreen: Read Contest Article
:bulletblue: Browse All Entries

EVE Online Contest - Atlas by Abyssal-Specter The Arq: Luxury Racing Yacht by AndrewCM Naru-Kami Final by Baranha EVE Online - The Ascendancy by BlueRogueVyse
Nergal Cruising by Carmics BES by edinorog EvE Online -Tornado by supersampled Cyruk Velam by kheng
Tsunami by machinefire Masonis - Eve Online by mikepacker Omega -Caldari Support Cruiser by MoonredStarblack The Gatekeeper  EvE Complete by Nym182
OKHOS Battleship by ONO-S3N-D4I EVE Contest Jovian Vision by ProlificPen Minmatar Advertising Transtort by zk87
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SP4phearless Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2013
Plz, can haz all of them?
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LoicImacon Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2010
I hope ccp host a another design your own ship contest. I really wana see some real cool looking ships in game. And now that everyone kinda has an idea of what to make i think there will be some awesome designs coming our way. :)
oh also ...
anyone not gona use the 30 day key ? ........ cuz ... i could use one.... im kinda desperate really wana get back in game but dont have the money. Any donations are accepted :) thx!
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TalentlessBoy Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2010
Any info about the questions that were submited to the DA Stuff? They answered any of those?
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strangelet Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
sorry to pause your incredible bitching session, but where are the winners actually posted?
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:iconmootly:
Mootly Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010
Should be a link to it right at the top of this page, as well as in community news on the main page.
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hail-the-oblivious Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
notice how the questionable contest entries (which were there when this article was submitted) suddenly disappeared. HAX
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SOULSSHINE Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010  Professional Digital Artist

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:iconmirarz-realm: said the following:

Well I suppose that's the end of it.

For most, its over and done with. The final winner both satisfies the majority of Eve maniacs and DA dudes, both in terms of art and suitability to the Eve universe. Thus the chapter ends. Except perhaps for a keep that took it to heart.

Congratz to the winners! - mainly cuz of luck tho~

Lessons learnt:
- DA is an arrogant and negligent bastard
- Contests at DA aren't worth striving for
- If rules look dodgey at the start, take your bats out early
- Don't bother questioning or pursuing DA for the truth, every DA employee treats you blindly and lies in your face
- Praise DA's subjective art perspective and trust them to judge your masterpiece




Lol ...
Dont know why / judging about all older contests / that sounds very truthfull somehow ... Haha - glad to see someone with guts to speack out what it think of lessons learn around here ...

Well i'm here since 2002 / and from my experience :

Workarounds for D'a ...
- Arrogance in d'a and manipulations all over will never cease - so there is no workarounds for it .

COntests are always worth / because of the people that is contesting ...
The problem is that they should have a GROUP To held every contests .
- That group should be a closed group with like 1 to 10 folders just for judges to put on a grade from 1 to 20 their choices / but like that those choices and selection should be done publicly ...

AFter the contest end / that +groups Official group would highlight forever winners and also all especially participants for a live long community event that even after contest done it would never die ...

Also they should have more prizes .
- 1,2 & 3 Place Professional awards - Made by d'a staff
- 1,2 & 3 Place Public Awards made by D'a - Were in that group All deviants Could vote for the bests ...

Also all 15 smifinalists should earn awards ...

And the list of what they "should" goes on .

The problem is that Deviantart does not listen to us / USERS ...

Arrogant Bitches that are on top of this corporation dont act like that ever / they always do what they please and what they want / Not even thinking twice that if was not "all us" The artists that upload art here this corporation would never exist in first place ...

But anyway art worldwide was always like that since the start ...
Arrogant bitches with money they do always watever they please / even define what art is or not by their vision - not by what the world sees of it .

I didnt participate this contest ...
And just participated on both square enix contest / just because i knew square enix would on a short lucky stroke maibe "just see it"

But thats the thing - to make all everyone win .
- They should make a closed +groups Oficial group with like 20 folders with numbers from 1 to 20 folders - and send there the deviations ...
( what would easy up the selection of winners - and also would make that selection public ) ...

Then after that ASK SPONSORS - To review those 20 folders - and chose 15 winners and 3 bests and one best out of it ...

The fact that is not Sponsors that chose fromm all the 15 / but a subjective art perspective Deviantart staff that does choose those 15 and sponsors just review 15 - makes the whoole contest idea Non worthy and not fair ...

The sistem of making a +groups Oficial group with 20 folders full of art chosen for the contest with from 1 to 20 levels of quality for sponsors to review those 20 folders and get themselfs the first 15 would fix how much is unfair for everyone the sponsors just have acess to 15 "deviantart staff" subjective perspective bests ...

If were the sponsors that chose those 15 themselfs WOuld be a hell lot worthy for all participation of everyone ...

Also would finish some comon problems that always happens after contests ...

We all can complain about deviantart staff chose 15 bests and just show those to sponsors ...

But if was the sponsors that chose those 15 themselfs - no one would have nothing to complain that much ...

The fact that deviantart staff select itself 15 bests to show just 15 to sponsors makes all participats to lose the oportunity to show their value to the companies out there ...

The question would be remain :
- Isnt too much to ask from sponsors to review 15.000.000 deviations ? How would that be possible ?

Well the answer is easy :
- Make a +groups Oficial group for every contest ..
- Closed at first
- Make 20 folders from 1 to 20
- And make the contest d'a staff judges to submith art to those 20 levels folders
- As part of a open to everyone see whats happening selection from those 15.000.000 participations ..
- Deviantart staffs would send like 20.000 deviations to those folders 1.000 winners from each of the 20 folders levels...

- Then if there were lowest quality those could be removed from the group folder ...

Then sponsors should be called to go to that group with 20.000 finalists .. and also analize the whoole contest submissions
- and sponsors would chose that way THEMSELFS 20 finalists from the 20.000 finalists ( oficial group selection ) - what would be 20.000 times more fair ... And also from the wholle 15.000.000 contest submissions ...

- Then after the contest ends - That closed group would become OPEN ...
ANd alow every deviants to submith forever and highlight their art tru the OFICIAL +groups GROUP CONTEST ...

_ Making the contest happening forever live and from that point on alive ...



THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS DEVIANTART CEO ...

But thats the problem - deviantart staff dont know that to their problems only us USERS That are here down low can answer to the biggest success on what they do - that they should otherwise listening to us better have ....


Well random thoughts just ...
I didn't participated ...
SHame on me ... cause every contests are worthy and big oportunitys to us / if well managed and open enough ...
BUT PEOPLE PARTICIPATING MAKE THE CONTEST MOST OF ALL ...

SO !

Congrats everyone with strengths enough to have finished and submitting this contest on time !


Ruben Ismael
LIGHT OF LIVE EDITIONS
RPGSI STUDIO ADMIN
Coimbra Portugal
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Poki-grzyb Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i hope you sent it to one of the admins or even to the main admin $spyed cause if you didn't then i will do it right away
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Sam-Mccloud Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010
i think im gonna challenge these judges to a duel...

SNIPER RIFLES AT 1000 PACES!!!
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Mootly Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010
Claymore mines at ... can you stand right on that X there for a sec while I go get something?
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Sam-Mccloud Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2010
"um... sure..."
*you go off*
*suddenly needs to go to the toilet*
"Uhhh hey you, can you mind this spot for me while I go to the loo?"

"uh... i guess..."
"GREAT!" *runs off*
10 minutes later

"ahh thats a relief... why is there a huge crater where i was standing"
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Mootly Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2010
Curses! You've seen through my clever ruse!
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Sam-Mccloud Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
*is still looking at the giant crater*

"... wait who in the what now? oh nevermind, i just know im gonna get blamed for this... again"
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Mirarz-realm Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Well I suppose that's the end of it.

For most, its over and done with. The final winner both satisfies the majority of Eve maniacs and DA dudes, both in terms of art and suitability to the Eve universe. Thus the chapter ends. Except perhaps for a keep that took it to heart.

Congratz to the winners! - mainly cuz of luck tho~

Lessons learnt:
- DA is an arrogant and negligent bastard
- Contests at DA aren't worth striving for
- If rules look dodgey at the start, take your bats out early
- Don't bother questioning or pursuing DA for the truth, every DA employee treats you blindly and lies in your face
- Praise DA's subjective art perspective and trust them to judge your masterpiece
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Mootly Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010
Rules really weren't that dodgy. They were specific on all the legal points d'Art and CCP needed to protect themselves from any liability issues. Right down to the one that said we reserve the right to change the rules at any time without notice (all contests include this, the challenge is getting it to stand up in court). They were quite specific.

The actual rules of presentation were somewhat vague to allow for room to acknowledge creativity. That is how they should be.

Problem, in the end, was the selections of the semi-finalists did not make sense to most external observers and their explanation of how the rules were applied didn't jibe, coming out sounding more as a brush off than a reasonable explanation.

Thus the theory of rather than picking the best of the best, picking a representative sample of the pretty nifty.

So they certainly have a competent legal department. It is just a question as to whether they have a clue as to how to interact with members of any online community other than their own. The Eve community is a culture of geeks. We thrive on explanations. Had they buried us in cold hard facts on how the judging worked, etc., even if we thought the process was totally wrong, we would have been happy as clams. Instead they kept all information behind closed doors and only responded with vagaries and platitudes, and more than a little condescension. They overlooked the fact that we wanted to approach them as equals, not as supplicants.

CCP is one of the few companies out there that doesn't make this mistake. (Not to say they don't make lots of others.)
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SOULSSHINE Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Lol ...
Dont know why / judging about all older contests / that sounds very truthfull somehow ... Haha - glad to see someone with guts to speack out what it think of lessons learn around here ...

Well i'm here since 2002 / and from my experience :

This is what i know and can say about all that :

I made my way to send that message to the staff inbox.

READ MORE : [link]


Cheerious .. have fun pall.


RPGSI STUDIO ADMIN
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RadVisual Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
Verry, verry strange... what heppend with LA BATTLESHIP ? I see it dissapear and thay put this great Minmatar Battleship? Maybe CCP was scared of shit that da chose and change LA ship on CCP project ? :D
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psychochef80 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
supposedly it was disqualified because of a "signature" or something in tiny print at the bottom of the page and the winner was the judges original pic for a runner up if one of the 15 got disqualified... Ill let you guess how many of the posters entirely buy that one lol
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RadVisual Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2010
ye LOL for me this contest is just MARKETING move from CCP... I mean have from begin ship that put to game so thay make this contest just to advertise EVE to DA community and gives all cd-keys to 30day trial version on a game...

btw. why thay chose LA battleship if thay know it have signature? Answer to put CCP ship.

Maybe iam paranoid but i think is 99% possibility in this world...
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phantomshotgun2002 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
so when are we going to know who won the contest?
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fuzzymodem Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
So the ship that was supposed to win the contest did. Good. I, for one, am glad we made a stink and got it included in the semi-finals. Good for us!

Here you go dude: :trophy: Good job :)
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KakashiMorph Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
So, the tornado won. What a big surprise. *fakes surprise* :iconclapplz:
CCP didn't do anything in the end, and I am disappointed because DA got away with murder - murder of a contest, in this case.
Also, we never saw the tornado winning out of the rest of the mostly random bunch. Honestly. :iconironyplz:
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Yuuki-Katana Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
Im personally quite happy about the 3 winners, the real sad part in that clusterf@ck is that the LABS entry didn't get shit other than being put in the spotlight in the worst possible way... He did not even get an apology for Da's behaviour, or any compensation, not that we know of anyways, and that is wrong imo...
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KakashiMorph Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
I feel bad about the LABC artist, because it was not his fault that he got picked. :/
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Mootly Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
If I could be sure they would forward it to the artist, I'd pay the $50 to send them a iTunes gift certificate, just as a point of order.
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KakashiMorph Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
:(
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Yuuki-Katana Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
They announced the 3 winners, and I guess I am quite satisfied with CCPs pick :) I guess I could say the 15 selected made that pick quite easy :D
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SFM-Hobb3s Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
I wonder if CCP is going to argue with DA that they did not follow the first line of the Official Rules: "...of a depiction of a "starship" suitable for inclusion in EVE Online"

Honestly how many of those semi-finalists would qualify as suitable? Three tops?
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Nakayme Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
Okay, I'm going to add my two cents here.
The consolation prize wasn't what most of us expected, and for those that read the rules, the line that says "All entrants to the contest who provide a valid email address and an entry that generally complies with the depiction of a starship as required by these Official Rules will receive a code provided by Sponsor at no charge to download a free copy of EVE Online." was originally a line that stated that participants would receive a prize that has not yet been decided.

I agree, the code WAS a disappointment and is useless to most people that entered the contest and already play EVE. However, it is also surprising, because of all the awards, that one actually costs CCP money.
But seriously, what else were they going to give us?
A copy of a free worthless ship? More melted snowballs? I think the most promising of all small prizes would be an Award or Decoration for your character in EVE, which could be awarded by giving a promotion code for that specific item. It's worthless, but it is something that people in EVE could actually use.

However, CCP didn't just make a first, second, or third place prize - they made 15. Even if you don't like itunes, I'm sure all of us know someone who would LOVE that as a Holiday Present. And the top 3 prizes were fairly good considering the nature of the community here. $6,257 USD worth of prizes, and so many people are riled up over the fact that CCP has a problem? Sure, they could have done a few things differently, but there are a few points to keep in mind;

1. Deviant Art Judged the contest, not CCP.
2. Maybe there was more point than to make new ship designs for existing races, such as;
2a. Extend Awareness and enjoyment and an opportunity of EVE to other communities.
2b. Exactly what they said the contest was for - inspiration of ship designs. Which could be utilized for;
2b1: New Factions or sub factions of ships, pirates, new races, for the next time CCP expands the EVE universe.
2b2: To see what people that play and even those that don't play EVE, would like to see.

And yes, I see rules that were directly stated in the rules section that were violated by some of these entries. But for some reason, those entries won anyway. If you don't trust deviantart for another contest because of that, that's understandable. But that's not going to change who the semi-finalists are. Can't we applaud those that placed, for whatever reasons they did, and take some satisfaction that Deviantart and CCP care enough about our communities to throw such an involved contest for us? I mean, it may not have been rewarding for several of the people involved, but it wasn't cheap either.
And if you haven't noticed, there were a LOT of entries to go through, so maybe cutting Deviantart some slack is something to consider.
Regardless, it would appear that the freighterload of disappointed and angry comments thus far has sent the message on your disappointments. I just hope it doesn't prevent involved contests in the future.
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Talros Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Why not the "Strix"[link] or the "Aquilon" ?? [link]

I'm disappointed :(
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PINARCI Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
"Two Suns In The Sunset"

in my rear view mirror the sun is going down
sinking behind bridges in the road
and i think of all the good things
that we have left undone
and i suffer premonitions
confirm suspicions
of the holocaust to come
the rusty wire that holds the cork
that keeps the anger in
gives way
and suddenly it's day again
the sun is in the east
even though the day is done
two suns in the sunset
hmmmmmmmmm
could be the human race is run
like the moment when your brakes lock
and you slide toward the big truck
and stretch the frozen moments with your fear
and you'll never hear their voices
and you'll never see their faces
you have no recourse to the law anymore
and as the windshield melts
my tears evaporate
leaving only charcoal to defend
finally i understand
the feelings of the few
ashes and diamonds
foe and friend
we were all equal in the end .
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SFM-Hobb3s Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
Still waiting to see how DA and CCP fix this mess (yes it certainly does need fixing)
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Nym182 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
hmm still no results... weird....
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knightd427 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
If they're waiting for the forums to die down before picking the top 3 or responding to this disaster of a contest, it's not going to do them any good. Most of us are letting our anger bottle up and are waiting to release it should CCP sidestep the issue or show that they are as incompetent as the DA judges. The longer they wait to tell us anything, the more pressure builds from our bottled up anger.
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bi99uns Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
My 6 sides were 3D renderings, there was no clear concise rule on this. then the wording got changed and i was disqualified. lame. not that my ship was any good, but i'd at least stand contend against that boxy looking thing that made it into the semi finals.
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GrimKayle Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
same here
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
[link]

Deviant Art Helpdesk
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
Registrant:
deviantART, Inc.
7095 Hollywood Blvd #788
Hollywood, California 90028
United States

Domain Name: DEVIANTART.COM
Created on: 24-Apr-00
Expires on: 07-Aug-11
Last Updated on: 31-Aug-10

Administrative Contact:
McCann, Andrew
deviantART, Inc.
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Technical Contact:
Bolt, Chris
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+1.3236456000 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
A.NS.DEVIANTART.COM
B.NS.DEVIANTART.COM

Sorry Guys DA only has a FAX listed in WHOIS.. Fax them :)
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MakotoNinja Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010   Filmographer
uhg, has this thread gone from contest rejection to mild eve banter? is it true, has DA and CCP waited us out? their plot of "ostrich syndrome" actually worked? we've all gotten our useless time codes and somehow now feel validated and respected?
I still feel about the contest as I did in the beginning and this type passive off topic banter, in this thread, gives them less to fear and less motivation to reach some sort of compromise (if they're actually reading this). I submit that we stay on topic in this thread however repetitive and monotonous it may be so that our objection remains very real.
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Mootly Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
Yes, but in spite of getting tired of the fight, many of us are still very aware of this bitter taste in our mouths, and were are much less likely to believe them next time when they insist it is a wonderful new type of giant pixie stick full of sugary goodness.
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
[link]

You can submit a request to the DA help desk here..
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
CCP Headquarters
CCP hf
Grandagarður 8
101 Reykjavík
Iceland
Tel: (+354) 540 9100
Fax: (+354) 540 9198

North America
CCP North America /
White Wolf Publishing
2075 West Park Place BLVD.
Suite G
Stone Mountain, GA 30087
USA
Tel. (+1) 404-292-1819

China
CCP Games Shanghai
B7 building
800 Changde Road
Jing an district
Shanghai
200040

China, People's Republic
Tel: +86 (21) 61267605
Fax: +86 (21) 61267606
United Kingdom

CCP Games UK
PO Box 150
Herschel House
58 Herschel Street
Slough
Berkshire
SL1 1HD4

United Kingdom
CCP Newcastle
Point 5
Fletcher Road
Gateshead Quayside
Newcastle Upon Tyne
NE8 2ET

START PLACING CALLS... this is the best I can come up with.
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
Registrant:

CCP HF
Grandagardur 8
Reykjavik, 101
IS
Phone: +1.3545409100
Email: baddi@ccpgames.com



Registrar Name....: Register.com[Who Is Domain]
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com[Who Is Domain]
Registrar Homepage: www.register.com[Who Is Domain]

Domain Name: eve-online.com[Who Is Domain]
Created on..............: 2000-02-25
Expires on..............: 2011-02-25

Administrative Contact:

CCP HF
Grandagardur 8
Reykjavik, 101
IS
Phone: +1.3545409100
Email: baddi@ccpgames.com



Technical Contact:
Registercom
Domain Registrar
575 8th Avenue
New York, NY 10018
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Phone: +1.9027492701
Email:
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udns2.ultradns.net[Who Is Domain]

Well and this...
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
CCP Games
Magnus Bergsson
magnus@ccpgames.com

White Wolf
Kelley Barnes-Herman
kelley@white-wolf.com

Tried the whitewolf ones already..but they are publicly advertised addresses so feel free..
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
DA: [link]

CCP: [link]

to help you know your advisories ..
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
True Nough!

I'll go on the forums and banter there..
What shall we do now, spam the admins of the site? Turn on our caps locks and rage? I raged as hard as any, they DON"T CARE man, they're probably not going to care.

They have the Moral excuse of "Its art and those are the ones the Judges PREFERRED" not the best.. just preferred, thats a pass, and WHY does that work.. because you can't argue taste in COURT!

As for the rules? Well they built in enough "OUTS" with slippery verbiage to protect themselves, appear legitimate and allow enough ethical latitude to evade even the most liberal judiciary review.. In short they wrote the rules to allow them to HOSE you if they saw fit, unless it was gross misconduct or threatened them! LABC, was signed, thats a Copyright issue.. they pulled it, NOT to smack a rule breaker but protect themselves, from additional effort.

So now what..? SHAME on Deviant Art, and Hope CCP gives us a fair shake. But until them WHAT? Other than that you can't do a single thing, but wait here guarding the gate til they jump through. HOPE for CCP to do their part, better than DA did.

Save the time typing it, I've already had enough Emo rage, both input and output, for one week.
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MakotoNinja Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010   Filmographer
I'm not saying that everyone continue ranting for rantings sake, I'm just saying to reserve this thread for contest objection, thats all.
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
fair nough..
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knightd427 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
I've expressed my anger on numerous occasions about this contest. That being said, I don't think DA or CCP care at all what we think. They make too much money to care.
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MakotoNinja Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010   Filmographer
fair enough, but until CCP chooses a winner, it seems to me that something must be happening, although this could just be wishful thinking on my part.
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